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		<title>By: root</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/07/05/the-gops-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-77988</link>
		<dc:creator>root</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Half of the oil consumed by the U.S. is produced domestically. Of the remaining half, 80% comes from Mexico and Canada, and a large part of the remainder comes from Venezuela. Just a small part of it comes from the ME, and most of that from Saudi Arabia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half of the oil consumed by the U.S. is produced domestically. Of the remaining half, 80% comes from Mexico and Canada, and a large part of the remainder comes from Venezuela. Just a small part of it comes from the ME, and most of that from Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnSeilerBlogs.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If you thought I was tough on Giuliani&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/07/05/the-gops-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-20577</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnSeilerBlogs.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If you thought I was tough on Giuliani&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] speech in Orange County attacked him pretty well, I thought. But he&#8217;s savaged in a new article in Chronicles magazine, one of my favorite monthly reads, by R. Cort Kirkwood, entitled &#8220;The GOP&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] speech in Orange County attacked him pretty well, I thought. But he&#8217;s savaged in a new article in Chronicles magazine, one of my favorite monthly reads, by R. Cort Kirkwood, entitled &#8220;The GOP&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johan Dieckmann</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/07/05/the-gops-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-6990</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan Dieckmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the chroniclesmagazine.com web management:

You apparently need much improvement in your technical management of comments. 

After posting a comment here this morning produced no result, on second try of the same, both the first and the second copy appeared &quot;tentatively&quot;, each with a generic label saying that each was awaiting the moderator. You did not send any explanation to my e-mail. 

However, these two copies now magically disappeared, so I attempted posting the third time - on the assumption that if this was not a technical hitch, there was some terrestrial intelligence (embodied in a moderator) that would preclude appearance of multiple copies. I was apparently quite mistaken in making such a generous assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the chroniclesmagazine.com web management:</p>
<p>You apparently need much improvement in your technical management of comments. </p>
<p>After posting a comment here this morning produced no result, on second try of the same, both the first and the second copy appeared "tentatively", each with a generic label saying that each was awaiting the moderator. You did not send any explanation to my e-mail. </p>
<p>However, these two copies now magically disappeared, so I attempted posting the third time - on the assumption that if this was not a technical hitch, there was some terrestrial intelligence (embodied in a moderator) that would preclude appearance of multiple copies. I was apparently quite mistaken in making such a generous assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/07/05/the-gops-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-6974</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giuliani’s ‘swift boaters’ !

Check:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giuliani’s ‘swift boaters’ !</p>
<p>Check:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I</a></p>
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		<title>By: Johan Dieckmann</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/07/05/the-gops-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-6972</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan Dieckmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I

Rudy&#039;s 9/11 Failures of Leadership Exposed by Fire Fighters

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From   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19707130/   :

&quot;... July 11, 2007
WASHINGTON - If there was one lesson of the 2004 election cycle, it was respond to attacks quickly and directly. In the summer of 2004, John Kerry let a slowly building media campaign against his Vietnam War experience explode into a debacle. From that campaign a new phrase entered the political lexicon: “swift boating.” Now it appears that Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani may have his own “swift boaters.” 

Now the International Association of Fire Fighters, the union for professional firefighters with a long history of support for Democratic candidates, is getting into the act with a 13-minute video that is essentially a long attack ad against Giuliani’s support for firefighters when he was mayor of New York. It is buttressed by a comprehensive Web site titled “ Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend.” 

Both the video and the Web site were unveiled Wednesday. Simultaneously, the video is being uplinked to YouTube and at least a handful of other Internet video sites like   video.google.com. ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On YouTube:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I</a></p>
<p>Rudy's 9/11 Failures of Leadership Exposed by Fire Fighters</p>
<p>***********************************************</p>
<p>From   <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19707130/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19707130/</a>   :</p>
<p>"... July 11, 2007<br />
WASHINGTON - If there was one lesson of the 2004 election cycle, it was respond to attacks quickly and directly. In the summer of 2004, John Kerry let a slowly building media campaign against his Vietnam War experience explode into a debacle. From that campaign a new phrase entered the political lexicon: “swift boating.” Now it appears that Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani may have his own “swift boaters.” </p>
<p>Now the International Association of Fire Fighters, the union for professional firefighters with a long history of support for Democratic candidates, is getting into the act with a 13-minute video that is essentially a long attack ad against Giuliani’s support for firefighters when he was mayor of New York. It is buttressed by a comprehensive Web site titled “ Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend.” </p>
<p>Both the video and the Web site were unveiled Wednesday. Simultaneously, the video is being uplinked to YouTube and at least a handful of other Internet video sites like   video.google.com. ..."</p>
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		<title>By: Johan Dieckmann</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/07/05/the-gops-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-6934</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan Dieckmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***********************************************

At YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I

Rudy&#039;s 9/11 Failures of Leadership Exposed by Fire Fighters

***********************************************

From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19707130/ :

&quot;...  July 11, 2007 ... WASHINGTON - If there was one lesson of the 2004 election cycle, it was respond to attacks quickly and directly. In the summer of 2004, John Kerry let a slowly building media campaign against his Vietnam War experience explode into a debacle. From that campaign a new phrase entered the political lexicon: “swift boating.” Now it appears that Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani may have his own “swift boaters.”

Now the International Association of Fire Fighters, the union for professional firefighters with a long history of support for Democratic candidates, is getting into the act with a 13-minute video that is essentially a long attack ad against Giuliani’s support for firefighters when he was mayor of New York. It is buttressed by a comprehensive Web site titled “ Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend.”

Both the video and the Web site were unveiled Wednesday. Simultaneously, the video is being uplinked to YouTube and at least a handful of other Internet video sites like   video.google.com. ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***********************************************</p>
<p>At YouTube:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I</a></p>
<p>Rudy's 9/11 Failures of Leadership Exposed by Fire Fighters</p>
<p>***********************************************</p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19707130/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19707130/</a> :</p>
<p>"...  July 11, 2007 ... WASHINGTON - If there was one lesson of the 2004 election cycle, it was respond to attacks quickly and directly. In the summer of 2004, John Kerry let a slowly building media campaign against his Vietnam War experience explode into a debacle. From that campaign a new phrase entered the political lexicon: “swift boating.” Now it appears that Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani may have his own “swift boaters.”</p>
<p>Now the International Association of Fire Fighters, the union for professional firefighters with a long history of support for Democratic candidates, is getting into the act with a 13-minute video that is essentially a long attack ad against Giuliani’s support for firefighters when he was mayor of New York. It is buttressed by a comprehensive Web site titled “ Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend.”</p>
<p>Both the video and the Web site were unveiled Wednesday. Simultaneously, the video is being uplinked to YouTube and at least a handful of other Internet video sites like   video.google.com. ..."</p>
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		<title>By: Johan Dieckmann</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/07/05/the-gops-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-6930</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan Dieckmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***********************************************
At YouTube.com:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I

Rudy&#039;s 9/11 Failures of Leadership Exposed by Fire Fighters

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Excerpt from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19707130/ :

&quot;... WASHINGTON - If there was one lesson of the 2004 election cycle, it was respond to attacks quickly and directly. In the summer of 2004, John Kerry let a slowly building media campaign against his Vietnam War experience explode into a debacle. From that campaign a new phrase entered the political lexicon: “swift boating.” Now it appears that Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani may have his own “swift boaters.”

Now the International Association of Fire Fighters, the union for professional firefighters with a long history of support for Democratic candidates, is getting into the act with a 13-minute video that is essentially a long attack ad against Giuliani’s support for firefighters when he was mayor of New York. It is buttressed by a comprehensive Web site titled “ Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend.”

Both the video and the Web site were unveiled Wednesday. Simultaneously, the video is being uplinked to YouTube and at least a handful of other Internet video sites like   video.google.com. ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***********************************************<br />
At YouTube.com:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I</a></p>
<p>Rudy's 9/11 Failures of Leadership Exposed by Fire Fighters</p>
<p>***********************************************</p>
<p>Excerpt from <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19707130/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19707130/</a> :</p>
<p>"... WASHINGTON - If there was one lesson of the 2004 election cycle, it was respond to attacks quickly and directly. In the summer of 2004, John Kerry let a slowly building media campaign against his Vietnam War experience explode into a debacle. From that campaign a new phrase entered the political lexicon: “swift boating.” Now it appears that Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani may have his own “swift boaters.”</p>
<p>Now the International Association of Fire Fighters, the union for professional firefighters with a long history of support for Democratic candidates, is getting into the act with a 13-minute video that is essentially a long attack ad against Giuliani’s support for firefighters when he was mayor of New York. It is buttressed by a comprehensive Web site titled “ Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend.”</p>
<p>Both the video and the Web site were unveiled Wednesday. Simultaneously, the video is being uplinked to YouTube and at least a handful of other Internet video sites like   video.google.com. ..."</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholasville Conservative</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/07/05/the-gops-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-6537</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholasville Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Moses is correct re: the Constitution.  Russell Kirk realized that &quot;Constitutional Conservatism&quot; was merely another unimaginative abstraction.  Much of what remained of the Old Republic prior to the 1860&#039;s, was violently uprooted during that decade.  &quot;You can&#039;t go home again&quot; in the narrow sense.  But, like the Old Covenant remnant in the 6thC BC, if Providence calls you can return to the only hope of historical connectedness, do what is right, and watch amazed as God achieves His own transcendent purposes.  

As great a wasteland as our postmodern, multicultural landscape is, we now are afforded unique opportunities to make true localized impacts if we avail ourselves.  In so doing, we may even be successful in connecting important strands of the past to the future.    

Those who are clamoring for a politician to lead the US forward are bound to be disappointed.  Chronicles reminds us that culture always trumps politics.  Ron Paul for Prez groupies are wasting their time.  However, at least Paul understands something about what has been lost for generations.  The former staffer who wants to replace him is just another hack.  (And the 9/11 conspiracy theorists who comment on this site and elsewhere are not worth worrying over; they&#039;ll move on to fascination with other shiny objects in due course...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Moses is correct re: the Constitution.  Russell Kirk realized that "Constitutional Conservatism" was merely another unimaginative abstraction.  Much of what remained of the Old Republic prior to the 1860's, was violently uprooted during that decade.  "You can't go home again" in the narrow sense.  But, like the Old Covenant remnant in the 6thC BC, if Providence calls you can return to the only hope of historical connectedness, do what is right, and watch amazed as God achieves His own transcendent purposes.  </p>
<p>As great a wasteland as our postmodern, multicultural landscape is, we now are afforded unique opportunities to make true localized impacts if we avail ourselves.  In so doing, we may even be successful in connecting important strands of the past to the future.    </p>
<p>Those who are clamoring for a politician to lead the US forward are bound to be disappointed.  Chronicles reminds us that culture always trumps politics.  Ron Paul for Prez groupies are wasting their time.  However, at least Paul understands something about what has been lost for generations.  The former staffer who wants to replace him is just another hack.  (And the 9/11 conspiracy theorists who comment on this site and elsewhere are not worth worrying over; they'll move on to fascination with other shiny objects in due course...)</p>
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		<title>By: bret</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/07/05/the-gops-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-6530</link>
		<dc:creator>bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, &quot;things&quot; do not change.  The insane and evil still lust for power, bad men still get in bed with government to pursue their own agendas, and the poor and middle class continually pay the price.

The Constitution, or something like it, is the only thing that can protect the people from the ravages of tyranny.  That&#039;s it.  It&#039;s a contract.  However, so many people, like you suggest, have decided it&#039;s something to be &quot;interpreted&quot; or &quot;de sanctified&quot; that it has become something of a curiosity, and no longer a shield.

Clarence Thomas is about the only guy on the Supreme Court with any sense whatsoever.  The rest of them are agenda-pushers, &quot;right&quot; or &quot;left&quot; as the case may be.  A more proper directional characterization is &quot;down.&quot;  As in, down with the people, up with government power.

Ron Paul doesn&#039;t want to roll back the clock to 1787 - he simply wants to defend the people.  It just so happens the Constitution is a good way to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, "things" do not change.  The insane and evil still lust for power, bad men still get in bed with government to pursue their own agendas, and the poor and middle class continually pay the price.</p>
<p>The Constitution, or something like it, is the only thing that can protect the people from the ravages of tyranny.  That's it.  It's a contract.  However, so many people, like you suggest, have decided it's something to be "interpreted" or "de sanctified" that it has become something of a curiosity, and no longer a shield.</p>
<p>Clarence Thomas is about the only guy on the Supreme Court with any sense whatsoever.  The rest of them are agenda-pushers, "right" or "left" as the case may be.  A more proper directional characterization is "down."  As in, down with the people, up with government power.</p>
<p>Ron Paul doesn't want to roll back the clock to 1787 - he simply wants to defend the people.  It just so happens the Constitution is a good way to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas G.P. Moses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas G.P. Moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ron Paul is the only Rep candidate that could defeat Hilllary Clinton (uuughhh!!) and if he is not nominated, you may as well give her the keys to the White House. If that happens I’ll have to look for another country to call home.&quot;

Take comfort:  Hillary Clinton is a ripe candidate for removal by a coup d&#039;état if her record of executive performances (remember HillaryCare?) is any indication of her competence.  I give it a sixty percent chance she wouldn&#039;t stay in office eighteen months.

&quot;Remember the Constitution? Can it be brought back? Dr. Paul wants to try!!&quot;

Someone made a remark to the effect that the U.S. was &quot;saddled with a Constitution crafted for a small eighteenth-century farmer&#039;s republic.&quot;  I have for some time been convinced that if conservatives want to save this country, they have GOT to de-sanctify that sacred cow known as the Constitution.  We may like what the U.S. was in the years immediately after its break from England, but things change.  (My own family has never seen the antebellum U.S.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Ron Paul is the only Rep candidate that could defeat Hilllary Clinton (uuughhh!!) and if he is not nominated, you may as well give her the keys to the White House. If that happens I’ll have to look for another country to call home."</p>
<p>Take comfort:  Hillary Clinton is a ripe candidate for removal by a coup d'état if her record of executive performances (remember HillaryCare?) is any indication of her competence.  I give it a sixty percent chance she wouldn't stay in office eighteen months.</p>
<p>"Remember the Constitution? Can it be brought back? Dr. Paul wants to try!!"</p>
<p>Someone made a remark to the effect that the U.S. was "saddled with a Constitution crafted for a small eighteenth-century farmer's republic."  I have for some time been convinced that if conservatives want to save this country, they have GOT to de-sanctify that sacred cow known as the Constitution.  We may like what the U.S. was in the years immediately after its break from England, but things change.  (My own family has never seen the antebellum U.S.)</p>
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