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She was drowned out, as is the current custom of the mob attacking her, in her most recent FOX TV interview when she voiced the suggestion that one solution to bring illegal immigrants “out of the shadows” would be to grant them a path to citizenship as a reward for turning in an employer who is paying illegal immigrants less than the minimum wage. It would be a feasible, if not a complete strategy.

It is my direct experience that many South Florida Resort employers are aware that they are employing and abusing illegal immigrants. However it may be difficult to prove in court that they had full knowledge without the employee bearing an ID card that can not easily be counterfeited.

We need to listen more thoroughly to Ann Coulter whose Rabelaisian humor does lead large numbers of us to see the worth of such uncommonly creative thinking.

This partial solution might end the enabling participation of a significant slice of such knowing employers of illegal immigrants and would be a temporary alternative to the biometric encoding on Social Security cards that some reckless Senators see as inevitable.

Of course, Coulter's was not the first nor the definitive book on the topic, but at the time it hit me hard and it was pretty dang amusing.

First, I don't seek Ann Coulter out; if I for some reason catch a glimpse of her or hear of a recent controversy concerning her I check in and am usually amused by what she pulls off.

I did read three of her books, the first of which is titled Slander, and which went a long way in helping me navigate an online "discussion" I was having at the time with some women who fancied themselves "unschoolers" of their children. I couldn't communicate with any of them -- it was like talking to brick walls -- because they would not take what I wrote literally or seriously. And this inability to communicate would have been the case had we been sitting across from each other at a Starbucks. I know that I have a long way to go to get civilized, but these women were so far gone that even I was exasperated. Coulter's book explained exactly what was happening.

All of this said, today, and on an increasing number of days, while reading Russell Kirk's A Program For Conservatives (1956, but could have been written yesterday) I find myself wondering why I ever get on the internet or turn on the tv. The whole venture is agitating, often barbaric, a waste of God-given precious time, and a diversion. OK, it's also an amazing tool and I am thankful for the wonderful things it has provided. But you get my point.

Speaking of which, Paul Gottfried has a review of Alan Wolfe's piece of you-know-what about RK up at Taki's website.

A few points, and then I will move on as well. I know that Chronicles is trying to lay "the groundwork for authentic and principled opposition," I just think we disagree some on the best way to go about that.

I too disagree with the idea that a new coalition is going to arise from the middle, the belief of Warren and Dr. Francis I believe. I think a new conservative movement is going to come if it ever does, and it ain't looking good, from the ashes of a disgruntled and discredited current right.

Current conservatives have many faults (easily summarized as not really being conservative), but they at least fancy themselves conservatives which is a start even if they are misguided. If conservatism is a sentiment or a state of mind as much as it is a program, as Kirk suggested (a suggestion that was not without problems of its own), then part of the battle is won because how people self-identify is important and generally enduring.

But instead of building a "fortress unto which they can repair," I think it is best to go and try and recruit them. I think you catch more flies with honey. I don't think it is helpful to be too harsh to Ann Coulter for some of the same reason I don't think it is helpful to vilify evangelicals.

I have agreed that Ann Coulter is often harsh, impolite and unladylike. I think the 9/11 widows stuff was beyond the pale. But I think advocating the rather indiscriminate killing of Muslims is a worse moral offense. When our site posted her column on demographic change and defended her at another site against charges of racism, I always prefaced it by distancing myself from her on the War. I should also make sure I distance myself from her on her comments.

But I am not sure why I have an affirmative obligation to go after her for her crude comments. To me that just adds to the left-wing hate fest and the soft-right's attempts to distance themselves from her. At some point it is probably best to "purge" unsavory elements, but when to do that is a judgment call.

There are at least a few small signs of hope in the mainstream conservative movement. Paul Weyrich seems to be coming around. Richard Viguerie's idea of an independent conservative movement not wedded to the GOP is long overdue. (That movement will either have to be pro-intervention or anti-intervention, it can't be both, and RV seems unwilling to takes sides at this point.) David Keene is harshly attacking Rudy, and Donald Devine broke from Bush long ago. The "crunchy cons" are a step in the right direction. Ron Paul is making converts on non-intervention. Etc. Too little too late? Perhaps. But better late than never? Certainly.

Speaking of Kirk, have you read the new TNR article on him?

Tobacco products. Good analogy. To which I say let's not get too puritanical and dismiss the Marlboro Girl, altogether.

As to her supposed celebrity wit, let's face it: that would amount to nothing without her blond hair, long legs and short skirt. Ms. Coulter's columns are like tobacco products: to paraphrase Dr. Fleming from a while back, they're fun and refreshing but caustic and addictive, and if you live on them they'll kill you.

First, if conquering a country, killing its leaders, and converting (note the active voice) the people is not forced conversion, then what is? The First Crusade was launched, quite specifically, to rescue Eastern Christians from persecution and to preserve the holy places being demolished by Fatimid rulers in Egypt.

Second, I appreciate Mr. Coughlin's kind words, but cannot help thinking that if Ann Coulter is one of the great wits of our time, that says something our time. The great Richard Porson told Robert Southey that his epic Madoc would be remembered when Homer and Vergil were forgotten. Coulter's wit, likewise, will be remembered when Mencken and Nock (and Ronald Knox and Evelyn Waugh and virtually every humorist in the language) are forgotten.

Some of the discussion has taught me what Mr. Sale has tried to teach me in the past: rational discourse in the age of the internet is futile.